[pbmax]

http://ocw.mit.edu/O...about/index.htm

And accompanying article about the rip off that higher education is:
http://www.lewrockwe...h/north748.html

"Parents, save your money. Have your college-bound children stay at home and pay for their own educations by using AP/CLEP/DSST exams at $60 per course, plus on-line distance education at $100 to $125 per semester unit, plus local apprenticeship with a salary are the way for your children to pay for their own college educations. This takes the risk out of the deal for you. With a 50% drop-out rate, there is huge risk.

If you say, "My child is not smart enough or mature enough to learn on his own," then do not send him off to college. Let him stay home and watch Animal House twice a day until he matures."

The only problem is that you'd miss out on the whole "college experience". You know, getting girls and getting drunk.

[zen]

pbmax, on Aug 20 2009, 10:39 AM, said:

The only problem is that you'd miss out on the whole "college experience". You know, getting girls and getting drunk.

Fixed it for you.

[Tobus]

Sorry, but "online" degrees don't carry any weight in the real world.

[Doc]

* OCW is not an MIT education.
* OCW does not grant degrees or certificates.
* OCW does not provide access to MIT faculty.
* Materials may not reflect entire content of the course

So, what's the point?

[pbmax]

Tobus, on Aug 20 2009, 11:55 AM, said:

Sorry, but "online" degrees don't carry any weight in the real world.

That was kinda the whole point of the article. You go into $100,000 debt to pay for a piece of paper so can say you belong to a select group of people that have the same piece of worthless paper.

Higher education is a scam.

[Doc]

pbmax, on Aug 20 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

That was kinda the whole point of the article. You go into $100,000 debt to pay for a piece of paper so can say you belong to a select group of people that have the same piece of worthless paper.

Higher education is a scam.

They don't get the same "worthless" piece of paper. In this instance, the users of the servoce don't get a piece of paper, at all.

Maybe they are worthless.....but when I got my 1st one, I was able to switch jobs, and double my income.

[SLO]

College is worth it for the life experience alone. I really don't want to say "I came out of my shell" but it definitely had a huge impact on my life. I still talk to many friends from college and those friends were also instrumental for getting me jobs during and after college. It also helped me develop better writing skills, time management, cultural exposure, et al.


Most people from back home that did go to college are more mature than those that did not. Obviously that is a generalization, but consider my background. White, middle class, from a small town where people stay local and most kids my age live at home if they don't go off to school. It's hard to hang out with them when I go back home. They are bumming around their parents pad still, reminiscing about how good at high school football they were, and generally not doing much. Granted those that did other things can be just as mature, move out, learn a trade etc, or even more so, go of to war.

But really what the piece of paper ultimately says is: you can stick with something for 4+ years, you can do bs busy work and not just say fuck it and quit even though it's pointless, you are given freedom and don't fuck it up by smoking weed and dropping out or drinking and missing class. All things that are very important to employers. It's documented proof of which someone fresh out of high school doesn't have.

It's not a scam if you want to do it. Some people simply want that piece of paper. 'Higher education' is just a fashion accessory of modern living. No different than preferring Sam Adams to Bud Light, or Ford to Chevy.

[Geo]

Doc, on Aug 20 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

* OCW is not an MIT education.
* OCW does not grant degrees or certificates.
* OCW does not provide access to MIT faculty.
* Materials may not reflect entire content of the course

So, what's the point?

Well, it's better than reading Wikipedia.

SLO, on Aug 20 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

College is worth it for the life experience alone. I really don't want to say "I came out of my shell" but it definitely had a huge impact on my life. I still talk to many friends from college and those friends were also instrumental for getting me jobs during and after college. It also helped me develop better writing skills, time management, cultural exposure, et al.

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SLO, on Aug 20 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

But really what the piece of paper ultimately says is: you can stick with something for 4+ years, you can do bs busy work and not just say fuck it and quit even though it's pointless, you are given freedom and don't fuck it up by smoking weed and dropping out or drinking and missing class. All things that are very important to employers. It's documented proof of which someone fresh out of high school doesn't have.

I don't think college was BS busy work. Everything before it certainly was. After I learned to read and write (at home, not at school), I sort of plateaued.

[VXbinaca]

Sorry Nid, but colleges need to be burned to the ground along with major cities. There isn't a thing I couldn't learn from there thats not also available in a public library.

They're a scam. And they're designed to get people in debt with little to show for it. One only needs to look at a university/college systems questionable relationships with student loan providers. You see it time and time again and HNIC will only shield them from it (unless one of his af-am voters gets up and whines about it).

And the women, only have anything to do with you if you're studying for a high-value field (and even those are mostly inflated in terms of real "value"). College makes women more shallow and enhances nascent bad traits in their personality. How often do you see a college woman date a non-college man? It's unheard of. To a college women, a non-college educated man is a knuckle-dragging waste of space.

And being around women don't get you laid anymore then not being around them.



They need to be gotten rid of (the colleges), along with cosmopolitan cities. If one were to start they should start with Broadway and the major universities to make a point. Look at what happened with Cambodia. Culturally, the light-skinned ethnic chinese discriminated against darker-skinned and albeit purer Khmer people of the countryside. They locked them out of many opportunities in life and kept them in poverty. And when the Khmer Rouge came to power, the ethnic Chinese got theirs.

[zen]

College Degree = Note from your teacher that says you're smart

College is useful for some and a waste of time for others.

I have a degree in archaeology but my livelihood is 100% unrelated. I will however return to school for my PhD. Eventually I hope to make archaeology my complete focus. Unfortunately unless you're independently wealthy or willing to whore for grants you're pretty well shitouttaluck in the field.

I consider the additional post graduate work critical to my understanding. I will be doing part of the degree at the school of my choice and part online. The degree however is fully accredited and makes no mention of "online" coursework. While it's true that most of the information that I seek is available in libraries there is something to be said for doing actual fieldwork and talking with and learning from other archaeologists. School is the best place to do that.

[SLO]

VXbinaca, on Aug 20 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

They're a scam. And they're designed to get people in debt with little to show for it. One only needs to look at a university/college systems questionable relationships with student loan providers. You see it time and time again and HNIC will only shield them from it (unless one of his af-am voters gets up and whines about it).

So people shouldn't spend their money how they see fit? Sure there are bs degrees like most of the humanities but they are at least a stepping stone to get you to where you want to be. It allows you to take classes in a variety of subejcts to see what you really want to do. Maybe that art degree is worth it if you want to work at a museum or whatever it is they do.

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And the women, only have anything to do with you if you're studying for a high-value field (and even those are mostly inflated in terms of real "value").

ERRONEOUS! It's the exact opposite. You don't have to be shit, don't need a car, live with 6 people in a 3 bedroom house and you can get a ton of snatch. In the real world those things matter.

zen, on Aug 20 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

I have a degree in archaeology but my livelihood is 100% unrelated. I will however return to school for my PhD. Eventually I hope to make archaeology my complete focus. Unfortunately unless you're independently wealthy or willing to whore for grants you're pretty well shitouttaluck in the field.

Pretty much. I was always envious of the grad students who got to go on sweet dig trips with the profs. I just knew that to use the degree I'd more or less have to get a PhD and work in academia.

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I don't think college was BS busy work. Everything before it certainly was. After I learned to read and write (at home, not at school), I sort of plateaued.

No I didn't mean to say it was. I loved 99% of my classes because I got to choose them, I wanted to learn that stuff. I only meant in the sense sometimes your requirments force you to take a class that you just 'have to do' even you you don't want to.

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[VXbinaca]

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ERRONEOUS! It's the exact opposite. You don't have to be shit, don't need a car, live with 6 people in a 3 bedroom house and you can get a ton of snatch. In the real world those things matter.

Then let's prove it with science. Go to a place where women congregate socially, like a bar, and strike up a converstation with one. Time how long it takes for her to ask "What do you do for a living?" or "Do you go to school?" and "Where/What are you studying?". Then go somewhere else and do it again only this time, say you never went to college and see what happens. Do those things 50 times. Get published, have some other fags with letters after their names look over it.

It's not erroneous. They really are impacting society in a negative way. In many negative ways.

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So people shouldn't spend their money how they see fit?

Is it really your money though? It's unheard of that a person can self finance through college. Usually it's student loans or mom and dad's shady business earnings that get you there.

But fine, let's assume it is. Please do not take your money and create a caste system with it. If you do, don't be surprised when the Luddites come to your gates with torches.

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[zen]

SLO, on Aug 20 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

Pretty much. I was always envious of the grad students who got to go on sweet dig trips with the profs. I just knew that to use the degree I'd more or less have to get a PhD and work in academia.

I'm planning on getting the PhD and sponsoring my own research with the money I accumulated in business. I don't particularly want to work in academia but I'm savvy enough to realize that no one will take any of my conclusions seriously unless I have lots of letters after my name.

Plus - as an added bonus I have many relations that are hippie liberal PhD's.... and I intend to make them call me "doctor" at family gatherings in the future.

[Doc]

VXbinaca, on Aug 20 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

Sorry Nid, but colleges need to be burned to the ground along with major cities. There isn't a thing I couldn't learn from there thats not also available in a public library.

They're a scam. And they're designed to get people in debt with little to show for it. One only needs to look at a university/college systems questionable relationships with student loan providers. You see it time and time again and HNIC will only shield them from it (unless one of his af-am voters gets up and whines about it).

And the women, only have anything to do with you if you're studying for a high-value field (and even those are mostly inflated in terms of real "value"). College makes women more shallow and enhances nascent bad traits in their personality. How often do you see a college woman date a non-college man? It's unheard of. To a college women, a non-college educated man is a knuckle-dragging waste of space.

And being around women don't get you laid anymore then not being around them.



They need to be gotten rid of (the colleges), along with cosmopolitan cities. If one were to start they should start with Broadway and the major universities to make a point. Look at what happened with Cambodia. Culturally, the light-skinned ethnic chinese discriminated against darker-skinned and albeit purer Khmer people of the countryside. They locked them out of many opportunities in life and kept them in poverty. And when the Khmer Rouge came to power, the ethnic Chinese got theirs.

The Truth

[VXbinaca]

I bet you got a CJ Degree at a college didn't you. I mean to be a cop, it's not like in Iraq where you just show up and get training. You went and got that silly piece of paper to more effectively learn to tazer people.

Before you tell me thats a lie, I'll add that when I went to vocational school the CJ class was next to ours and we used to laugh at you 'roided up meat heads spraying each other with mace and zapping each other.

Your lame clip from a lame show from a painfully lame era doesn't bother me because I know I'm right.

[Doc]

VXbinaca, on Aug 20 2009, 05:41 PM, said:

I bet you got a CJ Degree at a college didn't you. I mean to be a cop, it's not like in Iraq where you just show up and get training. You went and got that silly piece of paper to more effectively learn to tazer people.

Before you tell me thats a lie, I'll add that when I went to vocational school the CJ class was next to ours and we used to laugh at you 'roided up meat heads spraying each other with mace and zapping each other.

Your lame clip from a lame show from a painfully lame era doesn't bother me because I know I'm right.

Nah, got my BBA in Marketing, Minor in Management ........from a Cracker Jack Box.....Cum Laude !!!

I was working as a LEO, going to college, had my own house, and raising a family....all this when I was in my twenties.

You're 25.....what are YOU doing?

[VXbinaca]

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You're 25.....what are YOU doing? laugh.gif

Not beating up teenagers because of their hue?

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I think it's funny Doc sums up his life worth with:

* Getting into debt.
* Signing his life away to some woman.
* Making a kid who will do the same thing when he grows up.

In effect your saying the direction of society is become a servant to others. Except the fascinating duality of it is your a cop and a servant to no one. And if you fuck up, your gang buddies will protect you. Your friends in the DA won't press charges. The press will shield you.

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[Doc]

Want a little more whine, with those sour grapes?

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Your direction seems to be to avoid growing up, and living with your Mom, while working PT, so you don't always have to hit her up for a little drinking money.

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[VXbinaca]

Doc, on Aug 20 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

Want a little more whine, with those sour grapes?

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Your direction seems to be to avoid growing up, and living with your Mom, while working PT, so you don't always have to hit her up for a little drinking money.

So getting into debt and losing personal freedom is 'growing up'?

I don't live with my mom. I rent her condo. I am the only one who lives here. I used to have an apartment which I lost sue to the economy.

PT? I have no authority. There is no possible situation where I would need to use force against someone unless they were trespassing and threatening people or stealing shit. All quite noble and justified by any sane definition, situations where non-lethal force would be justified.

I don't hit my mom up for drinking money. When I'm broke, I don't drink.

And I haven't drank, (save Tuesday night) in about a month or more. Probably two.



d/c, I jack my dick when I hear stories about cops getting killed.

[DaveyDug]