[Doc]

VXbinaca, on Aug 20 2009, 07:08 PM, said:

So getting into debt and losing personal freedom is 'growing up'?

I don't live with my mom. I rent her condo. I am the only one who lives here. I used to have an apartment which I lost sue to the economy.

PT? I have no authority. There is no possible situation where I would need to use force against someone unless they were trespassing and threatening people or stealing shit. All quite noble and justified by any sane definition, situations where non-lethal force would be justified.

I don't hit my mom up for drinking money. When I'm broke, I don't drink.

And I haven't drank, (save Tuesday night) in about a month or more. Probably two.



d/c, I jack my dick when I hear stories about cops getting killed.

PT is Part Time.

And I'm sure you're up to date/never late with your rent.

Since by your own admission...when you're broke, you don't drink, and you haven't drank much lately.....I take it that you are :

a) Broke, fairly constantly
b ) a 25 Year old male
c) Basically living in a "no threat of eviction" situation
d) Who works part time, and doesn't have/hasn't accquired even a 2nd PT job.
e) Who waits on LEO's to get killed so he can find SOME form of sexual release
f) Blames "the economy" for his situation, instead of growing up and taking responsibility for himself.

Really VX, you're a smart enuff fella, could accomplish a lot....but you're kinda pathetic, and your attitudes about women, education, etc. brand you as.....well, there is no other way to say it ....brand you as a Loser.

How long are you going to wallow in apathy, self-pity, denied envy of others, distrust of women...and the fallacy of blaming others, or "them" for where you are in life?

Sorry to have to break the bad news....but you'll be 35 before you know it.....time to get your life in gear, and use the gifts you have.

I sincerely wish you good luck.

This post has been edited by Doc: 20 August 2009 - 06:28 PM

[VXbinaca]

Nigga I work 40 hours a week. It's just thats not enough.

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a) Broke, fairly constantly

I had money until my hours were cut.

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c) Basically living in a "no threat of eviction" situation

She's kicking me out and told me this as of Tuesday. I'm trying to work things out with her.

HEARD IT FIRST HERE PEOPLE. Talk about self-pity. I was gonna shut up about it and just leave without making a sound.

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d) Who works part time, and doesn't have/hasn't accquired even a 2nd PT job.

Are you fucking retarded? I work full time and work in an area with 11 percent unemployment. 30 minutes north of me is Ft. Myers, which has among the worst unemployment in the US. Lee Heigh Acres, is a ghost town. It's the US Foreclosure capital. HNIC went to Ft. Myers to tell everyone they'd get bread and circuses if he was elected, and things have only gotten worse since he left.

Right, I'm lazy.

Edit:

I was up in LH with a buddy (who is black and was arrested for no good reason due to government skullduggery) and we drove by 17 forclosed homes on both sides of the road on this one street. It was creepy. We drove by the Forclosure tour bus, as seen on CNN.

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e) Who waits on LEO's to get killed so he can find SOME form of sexual release

You must not understand the concept of bondage. It's not about the fucking, it's about humiliation. It's humiliating to the crying widows that someone gets sexual release at the deaths of their loved ones. And I don't wait, I just pull it out and start cranking as soon as I read about it

You gotta have gone to college to be that dumb, Doc.

This post has been edited by VXbinaca: 20 August 2009 - 06:56 PM

[Doc]

Well, you're right VX, you can't do anything at all about your situation, you're fucked.

WOW, 40 hours a week.........what a MAN!!!

How DO you do it?

Gee, wonder if you had an EDUCATION that was in demand if you could improve your lot in life?

No, that's right, education is a scam, women are all sluts, owning property is for fools......yada yada yada.

I truly feel sorry for you, poor baby.

[VXbinaca]

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How DO you do it?

Lots of coffee and the prospect of Battlefield: Bad Company when I get home (for an hour). It's quiet and theres no kids there. I'm cool with everyone there and they're cool with me.

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Gee, wonder if you had an EDUCATION that was in demand if you could improve your lot in life?

But a piece of paper doesn't necessarily do that. As we know with currency, they can be printed out at will (see: ITT, U of Phoenix etc etc).

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No, that's right, education is a scam, women are all sluts, owning property is for fools......yada yada yada.

No I said a lot of college is a scam. Women have changed for the worse for the most part and in this economic climate, owning property CAN be a liability. It can destroy you financially today, and make you a slave. Debt is slavery and, as a point of disclosure, I am enslaved to GMAC and two credit card companies.



I mean I'm not the one name calling here. I'm laughing it up at this thread.

[Geo]

VXbinaca, on Aug 20 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

How often do you see a college woman date a non-college man? It's unheard of. To a college women, a non-college educated man is a knuckle-dragging waste of space.

It probably makes me really shallow for writing this, but I wouldn't date a girl who didn't have a college education. I also wouldn't date a girl who was lousy with money.

VXbinaca, on Aug 20 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

I bet you got a CJ Degree at a college didn't you.

Hey, I studied CJ and became even more of a civil libertarian, mainly because the more research I did, the more it affirmed my view that there's something fundamentally wrong with policing, police culture, and the CJ system. The cops tended to be closed-minded: "I'll just do what I'm trained/told to do and fuck whatever the research says on whether this policy is effective. I'll just be careful with how I write my incident reports to justify a search of this guy." Too bad CJ programs can't teach compassion.

zen, on Aug 20 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

I'm planning on getting the PhD and sponsoring my own research with the money I accumulated in business. I don't particularly want to work in academia but I'm savvy enough to realize that no one will take any of my conclusions seriously unless I have lots of letters after my name.

Can you even get published if you're sponsoring your own research and working outside of academia?

Dude. You should totally become one of those "fringe" archaeologists, looking for Atlantis or Mu or dinosaurs in Cambodia. I mean, if you're independently wealthy, might as well have some fun and ruin your professional reputation, right?

[Oroboros]

Let me be the voice of experience here:

I am currently enrolled in online college – namely the 4rt 1n$t1tµt3 0f P1tt$bµrgh (41P0). I will be graduating with a "diploma of design" in very short order. This diploma will be from the 41P0, and nothing about "online."

So, technically, I'll have a piece of paper from an accredited school, and it will be no different from those who had to pay for gas and board.

Yet, even now, I consider having gone into debt for this a huge mistake. I have learned nothing – especially nothing I could not have learned for free. I am far, far more advanced in all areas than any of my classmates (and presumably many of the professors I've had. Considering hardly any have a web presence, it's hard to tell); and that's not bragging, it's the obvious truth. I'm considering showing you links to other students' work, but I don't want to embarrass them when it's not really their fault. Send me a PM if you wanna see (so there's no chance it shows in Google).

I just finished a class about "web design" in which I was teaching more than the professor, as far as hands-on "this is how you do this" type shit. For instance, I was explaining simple PHP mail() functions for folks who were setting their contact forms to action="mailto:[them@theiraddress.com]". I even posted complete sections of my code for them to copy, I felt so bad for them.

This was said to be "accepted and normal" because the students had not been advised to purchase hosting that supported scripting languages.

Further, the course materials showed how to design in fucking tables and promoted the use of Dreamweaver WYSIWYG as a professional tool.

I literally wrote essay-length critiques, reviews, counterpoints to the curriculum, etc. – just because I was bored but had to participate in class. I was well-liked as a helpful guy by my classmates, and that's nice and all, but I didn't pay to be a free educator and tutorial writer. I suppose I don't have to get heavily involved, but I actually like challenges, and where they don't exist, I create them for my own amusement. I'd simply expected those challenges to come from assignments, and not to be of my own making - I can do that shit for free.

And this class isn't the only one that's woefully out of date. It'd be one thing if it was a year or two behind, but still had solid foundations; but no, a lot of the material is about 8 years old, and they promote tables for layout, inline CSS, and all sorts of deprecated shit.

You web guys will know how fucked up this is.

Anyway, I hope it ends up paying off a least a little bit having this paper. It certainly costs far and away more than it's worth.

This post has been edited by Oroboros: 20 August 2009 - 10:02 PM

[Gen. Jack T. Ripper]

Several of my friends have standing orders to assassinate me if I so much as look at another MD or PhD. I've told them how to make it look like a suicide.

[Geo]

Bad experiences dating the whitest of the white collars, huh JTR?

You know what would be fun interesting? Dating a psychiatrist.

[Gen. Jack T. Ripper]

Psychiatrists? They're the worst of all.

[zen]

Geo, on Aug 20 2009, 09:16 PM, said:

Can you even get published if you're sponsoring your own research and working outside of academia?

Sure. You've gotta find a sympathetic publisher and your writing has to be sensational. Pretty much you'd HAVE to write about Atlantis or something similar. There's no way you'd get published arguing coastal migration versus landbridge theories of settlement.

Still - in certain areas of study having professors is extremely helpful if for no other reason than to have theories to shoot holes in later on.

[Geo]

zen, on Aug 20 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Pretty much you'd HAVE to write about Atlantis or something similar.

I'd buy your book. I can even come up with fake blurbs for the dust jacket for you!

[VXbinaca]

Gen. Jack T. Ripper, on Aug 21 2009, 01:28 AM, said:

Psychiatrists? They're the worst of all.

Blog about it. I wanna hear this.

[Gen. Jack T. Ripper]

hah, well...okay. You may enjoy this cautionary tale at my expense.

I'd known this psych resident for a while. Romanian chick. We had something of a mutual admiration society, since I was the only American she knew who read books (and before this, probably the only American she particularly liked), and I was pleased to have someone (especially a pretty girl) with whom to discuss them - even if she was perfectly incapable of getting any of 'em right. (To her credit, she didn't try any Jedi mind tricks on me.) In retrospect, I suppose I was Friend Zoned, but I didn't see it at the time.

So anyway, one evening, we were quacking away, and she informed me that she had an interesting experience at the hospital. This was a VA hospital's psych ward, mind you - the absolute ass end of the medical system. This one chap, whom I'll call spanky, was 'acting out', and the orderlies gave him a nice white jacket for his trouble. For some reason, seeing this bothered her. Go figure; she saw that sort of thing twenty times a day. She walked past, and he said 'U GOT A FAT BOOTY AND AH LIKE IT.' Which, first of all, was technically incorrect: while certainly shapely, it was not fat; second, it's rather crass to shout that at passers-by. And third, it's totally fucking Section 8 to get turned on by that. But she did, and told me so.

Naturally, I was a bit 'WTF?', but dismissed it as general feminine battiness, the maternal instinct gone slightly haywire, the way it's apt to do when you're 28 and your ovaries are pushing the use-by date - nothing doing the dishes wouldn't cure. Oh, but I was wrong. A few days later, somewhat in violation of HIPAA, she said that she'd taken on spanky as a special long-term case. And as the weeks went by, she simply fell in love with the gimp. She'd hardly speak to me except to tell me how good or bad spanky was doing (usually bad, since he was a drug addict, a borderline personality disorder case, illiterate, penniless, unemployed, and a priapic little savage to boot) and to whine about being unable to have him. Often in pretty graphic terms. 'Oh, how I'd cradle him between my thighs!' Hey, great, you dumb whore. I was nicer than that, of course, but yes, you can imagine my response. I told her she was absolutely batshit for thinking such things about a patient. She informed me that the only reason I objected was because I was, like all Americans, a dumb puritan. Yes, I'm afraid at this point the She Was Such A Nice Girl had worn thin, but I didn't want to watch her self-destruct, either, so I continued to try to make her wise up.

If you're wondering what the residency director was doing through all this: um, not much. That fool thought it 'helpful for her to learn how to deal with countertransference'. She'd apparently go to the weekly meetings and carp about it, yet she was kept on the case, until...

One day, she told me she got pulled off his case. Why? Because she'd Done A Bad Thing. She'd gotten rip-roaring smashed one night, drunk-dialed spanky, and phone-sexed him for a few hours...and then the next morning, realized she'd Done A Bad Thing, and told her supervisor. That couldn't be ignored; that's definitely not Standard Of Care. In all of medicine, there's only one field where you're more discouraged from fucking your patients, and that's pediatrics.

Good thing the bitch ain't a pediatrician, because what do you think happened next?

I figured it'd be over. Even hoped for a bit of a return to sanity. Bitch for a week, and then hey, you done, want to go back to being intelligent? Hah, no. It was bitch for a week, then she disappeared for a couple of days, and then...she signed onto IM. I sent my usual hailing signal, and got back: 'can't talk now; he's here.' The rest of the conversation was short: ''Him'? Oh god, please tell me you didn't.' 'I did.'

A week later, he'd moved in with her.

I'm afraid things dropped off rather quickly after that. Spanky monopolized practically all her time, and was nasty to anyone who tried to get in touch with her, so I seldom heard from her. It was just as well, because she'd turned into Marla Singer. On the rare occasions we did speak, she only wanted to talk about two things: her sexcapades (she was his 32nd deflowering, she said with some pride), and his drug-addled rages. For obvious reasons, I had no interest in the former. The latter...I was (somewhat) sympathetic for a while, but...I'm sure you know the trick: get crazy monkey sex from a monkey, get human company from a human. Great for the monkey; not so great for the human, hm? The last of my patience ran out, and after one of their stupid fights, I added to her shiner with a nice I-told-you-so tongue-lashing, a lecture worthy of Oxford. That went over as well as you can imagine: and a few incoherent attempts to insult me back marked The End. She had, at least, the good sense to leave me in peace after that.

So that's how I got rejected by a shrink, in favor of quite possibly the worst motherfucker she could possibly have picked.

Now you're probably thinking that this is an isolated incident, that I shouldn't judge them all just because one of 'em goes nuts. Trouble is, it ain't isolated at all. Fun studies've shown that a little over 7% of male shrinks and a little over 3% of female shrinks admit to fucking their patients. PubMed's got the full text of some of 'em lying around, if you're bored - start here and have fun. And if that many admit to it, how many more are bright enough to shut up about it? One in five seems a reasonable enough guess to me.

No sir. No shrinks. They're fuckups as far as I'm concerned. Robert Muldoon's recommendation applies. And you should stay the hell away from 'em too, since it's basically playing russian roulette.

...unless, of course, it's you on the couch - in which case, use protection.

[Geo]

And here I thought you were gonna post some archaic philosophical treatise on why shrinks are bad.

[Tobus]

I have to laugh at you guys who think a higher education is a scam. What are your qualifications for saying such a thing?

VX can obviously be ignored on the subject; not having a higher education himself, it's mere conjecture (and I suspect, as Doc pointed out, it has more to do with sour grapes than anything). And I'm curious as to the rest of you who think higher education is worthless, what is your degree in?

Here's the deal, guys. Higher education from a reputable school, in a useful subject is worth every fucking penny. But it has to be the right degree! I'm constantly amazed at all these people out there with art degrees, archeology degrees, and English literature degrees, who think that they're going to magically get good paying jobs. As if all diplomas hold equal value. Sorry, but even 15 years ago when I was in college, everyone knew that the most important thing you could get from a liberal arts degree was how to say, "do you want fries with that?".

It's a FACT, gentlemen, that certain degrees afford you a higher starting salary and make you eligible for positions that you simply couldn't hold without the diploma. I don't care how much you read at the library. A diploma is a document stating that you have met a standard that everyone recognizes. Without it, how is anyone (such as a potential employer) supposed to have any idea what you know or don't know? Private industry as well as government regulatory agencies rely on diplomas to sort the weed from the chaff.

My degree was in Civil Engineering, and I can tell you that I had no problem getting a good paying job straight out of school. All my classmates got good paying jobs as well. That diploma opened the door to a professional career in engineering, which led me to where I am today as a licensed Professional Engineer and the manager of my engineering department. To suggest that my education was a scam or somehow worthless is insulting and patently false. A career like engineering is going nowhere without a higher education, and for very good reason. It is simply not the kind of knowledge you can gain studying by yourself at the local library. And I'm sure Nidrah would agree that it is the same in his field of physics. I would even say that all the sciences are this way.

These are some statistics for engineering fields. Know what the average starting salary is for a civil engineering graduate? About $50,000 per year. That's straight out of school. For petroleum engineering graduates, it's over $60,000. I can also tell you that for someone in my position as a licensed engineer, with my level of experience, the average salary is about $154,000 per year including bonuses. I'm not saying that's what I make (I don't), but that's the average. Now tell me the education was worthless, or that getting into debt to get a diploma is a bad idea.

I certainly don't want to disparage other degrees that aren't science-related. Nor am I saying that those with college educations are superior to those without. All I'm saying is that college is worth every penny if you're smart about what you study. Not all diplomas are equal, not all schools are equal, and not all graduates will have the same stature. So you can't make broad sweeping generalizations about higher education like some of you have been so ignorantly doing.

[Mike]

You guys ever seen that poster with the nice beach mansion and the garage full of high-dollar sports cars, and the title saying "Justification for Higher Education"? It's a pretty popular poster, my dad had one at his house, though I'm not sure why, but I always thought the message on that poster was 100% spot-on. Aside from the occasional savvy business owner who skipped college because he just plain knows how to make money by selling goods or services, all of the truly successful people in life have college degrees from respected schools.

I know we here on this board tend to have different views on life and don't look at things the way most people do, but to trivialize a college education is twisting reality just a bit...

[zen]

Gen. Jack T. Ripper, on Aug 21 2009, 05:37 AM, said:

She walked past, and he said 'U GOT A FAT BOOTY AND AH LIKE IT.' Which, first of all, was technically incorrect: while certainly shapely, it was not fat;

U got a PHAT booty and ah like it. From your description I'd say the the comment was accurate in this patient's colorful street patois. (PHAT = Pretty High And Tight)

[zen]

Tobus, on Aug 21 2009, 06:39 AM, said:

I'm constantly amazed at all these people out there with.... archeology degrees.... who think that they're going to magically get good paying jobs. As if all diplomas hold equal value.

A college degree is a note from your teacher that says you're smart. I never had any illusion about using my degree to make money. It did however open some doors. Basically any job that had "degree required" was a possible lead. And anyone who has looked for a job recognizes that THOSE jobs typically are higher paying and *usually* offer more opportunities for advancement.

A degree is not the end all and be all of success. My buddy who "went Galt" in the Bahamas never finished high school. He was quite literally a shoeless, snaggletoothed hillbilly from Mississippi that fortuitously returned to Dallas with a high school friend of mine who went to Ol' Miss for a semester. He's filthy rich now sans college degree.

Success is about planning and persistence. A degree (of any kind) helps but is not necessary.

As I mentioned previously - I love archaeology and intend to finish my PhD but absolutely will not whore myself out for grants. So - wealth first, fieldwork second.

[purple]

Because of my age when I was asked if I had a degree, I said yes. I do not have a degree. No one ever checked and I got good paying jobs for ten years. Because once you no one checks the next employer does not care to check. They just took the word of the last employer. That was my asnwer to a piece of paper. Not saying anyone should do this but it worked for me. Most jobs do not hire based on having a degree for the job they hire because of any degree. Not saying also that I would have pushed it for something like Tobus's job. Just saying it worked. Once I knew enough about what I was doing to make changes in the company, usually by watching people screw up things, I learned to correct them and got raises.
I have been watching the news every once in a while and noticed a story about returning vets not finding jobs to support all those degrees they worked to get. So I expect the unemployment rate to jump to all new highs soon.
Its all fucked up for vets anyway.

As vets await checks, VA workers get $24M bonuses
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090821/ap_on_...XN2ZXRlcmFuc2F3

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[VXbinaca]

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Robert Muldoon's recommendation applies.

You mean the game warden from Jurassic Park?