[Thrawn]

Doc, on 08 February 2010 - 04:44 PM, said:

Perhaps, but helping pay for something does not, in all cases, mean you own it, in any way.

As a member of another State, I would vote AGAINST deferred payment from Texas, as I believe we would eventually have to sue Mexico to try and receive payment.

Who's to say Mexico wouldn't be the one worrying about annexation? I can attest that the majority of Mexicans would fancy the thought of their home country being more like Texas. Mexico won't be invading anything anytime soon, not even a Lone Star State.

Texas isn't the only state with a populace growing dislike towards the federal government, in such a case I believe secession would rapidly spread northward up through the mid, and western states.

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[freeBatjko]

Tobus, on 09 February 2010 - 11:23 AM, said:

[/i]The bolded part is the pisser of that whole statement. Such a thing, we do not have. Nor have we seen it for well over a century.

And besides, I take issue with the second part of the sentence too. "True sovereign of a free people"? That's a contradiction in terms.

well it is a lincoln quote after all. not that this kind of talking isn't timeless.

Thrawn, on 09 February 2010 - 12:46 PM, said:

Who's to say Mexico wouldn't be the one worrying about annexation? I can attest that the majority of Mexicans would fancy the thought of their home country being more like Texas. Mexico won't be invading anything anytime soon, not even a Lone Star State.

Texas isn't the only state with a populace growing dislike towards the federal government, in such a case I believe secession would rapidly spread northward up through the mid, and western states.

i wonder what happened if say montana or kansas decided to secede, staying surrounded by the USA.

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[Tobus]

Quote

well it is a lincoln quote after all.

I figured as much. Here, lemme throw out another Lincoln quote to show you just how much of a hypocrite and traitorous backstabbing son-of-a-bitch he was:

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." – Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)

[zen]

freeBatjko, on 09 February 2010 - 05:00 PM, said:

i wonder what happened if say montana or kansas decided to secede, staying surrounded by the USA.

Check your geography.

[freeBatjko]

zen, on 10 February 2010 - 11:37 AM, said:

Check your geography.

hey i can't check the map every time i make random unsolicited assertions.
well, take kansas and colorado then. i just wonder whether there are any what-if whitepapers out there.



thank you though.

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[freeBatjko]

Tobus, on 10 February 2010 - 11:11 AM, said:

I figured as much. Here, lemme throw out another Lincoln quote to show you just how much of a hypocrite and traitorous backstabbing son-of-a-bitch he was:

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." – Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)

i wish people would still make speeches like this. clear and concise, and only hypocritical some time afterward.

[Doc]

Tobus, on 09 February 2010 - 06:11 PM, said:

I figured as much. Here, lemme throw out another Lincoln quote to show you just how much of a hypocrite and traitorous backstabbing son-of-a-bitch he was:

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." – Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)

Power is an actuality.

[freeBatjko]

Doc, on 10 February 2010 - 11:53 AM, said:

Power is an actuality.

the simple word "fact" would have sufficed here.
but is that an argument trying to make a point or a simple statement making none?

[Oroboros]

Doc, on 09 February 2010 - 05:53 PM, said:

Power is an actuality.

I think you know very well that "that can" means "those who are able to", not "those who are allowed to". Power in this case also means literal strength, not Powers Appointed.

Also, how are you to know if you truly can, unless you try?

Not sure what you were trying to get across. But no matter what, Lincoln made himself more than a hypocrite with the quoted statements.